Salve ragazzi!
Dunque, su consigli del vecchio forum, ho modificato il BOSS DS-1 così:
C1, C10, C11- .047uf
C3 - .068uF
C9 - .47uf
C2, C8, C14 - 1uf
C5, C12, C13 - .1uf
D4, D5 - led rossi
R13 - 2.2k
R14 - 1.5k
R16 - 4.7k
R39 - 22k
Vi chiedo: questa modifica è valida anche per il DS-2?
Oppure quest'ultimo ha uno schema totalmente diverso?
Se così fosse, esistono modifiche per migliorare (più croccante e vintage) il suono del DS-2?
Grazie.
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BOSS DS-1 Mod. valida anche per BOSS DS-2?
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Sparkino80
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Sparkino80
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Re: BOSS DS-1 Mod. valida anche per BOSS DS-2?
Lo schema del DS2 lo trovi qua:
http://experimentalistsanonymous.com/diy/
Come vedi è diverso da quello del DS1...
http://experimentalistsanonymous.com/diy/
Come vedi è diverso da quello del DS1...
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stratoclaudio
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Re: BOSS DS-1 Mod. valida anche per BOSS DS-2?
questa mod è carina e semplice....
c33 da 0.22 a 1uf alza i bassi ci puoi mettere uno switch
eliminare d9 (aumenta distorsione)
d8 led
d11 led
d12 silicio (puoi lasciare l'originale)
r59 da 1k a 100hom (da provare...)
r55 100hom
la mod ti aumenta la distorsione ed i bassi del pedale, i led tolgono le zanzare, ma puoi anche provare dei germanio o simili...
questo pedale è peggio del ds1 da originale, ci sarebbe molto da fare!
Ad ogni modo così è meglio, diventa ascoltabile anche la posizione 2 del selettore.... a me quel suono ricorda brian may
c33 da 0.22 a 1uf alza i bassi ci puoi mettere uno switch
eliminare d9 (aumenta distorsione)
d8 led
d11 led
d12 silicio (puoi lasciare l'originale)
r59 da 1k a 100hom (da provare...)
r55 100hom
la mod ti aumenta la distorsione ed i bassi del pedale, i led tolgono le zanzare, ma puoi anche provare dei germanio o simili...
questo pedale è peggio del ds1 da originale, ci sarebbe molto da fare!
Ad ogni modo così è meglio, diventa ascoltabile anche la posizione 2 del selettore.... a me quel suono ricorda brian may
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Gila_Crisis
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Re: BOSS DS-1 Mod. valida anche per BOSS DS-2?
per chi fosse interessato ecco altre mod per il DS2, le avevo trovate sul forum di diystomboxes, ma non le ho ancora provate
The function of D14-15 is pretty unclear to me, they don't add clipping nor affect the volume or tone, so I just keep them in. D11-12 have the biggest effect on the distortion, you really hear the difference when you use a LED or silicon/germanium diode here. D8-9 have the least effect, I mean, you do hear the difference, but it doesn't really change the overall tone, the effect blends in with D11-12.
I use a Germanium in D8, D9 is standard, D11 standard and D12 a 5mm red Led. This gives me an awesome cruchy distortion, and with the neck pickup and dist to full even fuzzy disortion, it's really cool.
But the best thing is when you totally turn down the dist and volume way up, it makes my amp sound like it's on volume 10 except it's on 2.
I took some time to take appart the tonesection, and found out that it does a lot more than only cutting or boosting trebble.
R45: (4.7K) The lower you go, the more bass it cuts in total. You can't go further than bypassing it.
R46: (33K) The higher you go, the more thump you get when the gain is at 2'o clock. So if you like medium gain, make this 100K or something in that area.
R58: (15K) The higher you go, the more upper bass you get, but you lose a fair bit of volume this way. Leaving it standard prooved to sound the best.
R59: (1K) This is the bitch. The higher you go, the less blistering the trebble gets. I needed to take this part out to satisfy my needs.
You can also put a cap parallel to R46 to be able to cut more, something like 3.3nF has a pretty good result.
R32 is responsible for the midscoop in this pedal. I'm gonna try something lower than 1M to make it sound less scooped. It will probably result in a little more ouput too.
R62 can suposedly be lowered to have more volume, I need to check this.
R57 can suposedly be altered to change the compressed feeling, but it will also affect the bass, I need to check this too.
This may have been mentioned, but doubling C33 will increase the gain and bass
C41 could be changed to a higher value to allow more bass frequencies to pass freely, altough it could result in muddy or musshy sound
C34 is now 10nF, the sound is more focused, less high frequency harshness but middle stays sharp and gritty...
A second general area for modding in a manner that creates big changes with minimal investment is likely the EQ section. The DS-2 uses what seems to be a fairly common treble boost-cut circuit, whose turnover frequency is set by what looks like C37 (the 6800pf cap tied to the wiper of the tone control). Swap that cap for something of a larger value (8200pf/.0082 to maybe .012 or.015uf) and the turnover frequency will drop proportionately. Make it smaller (.0056 to maybe .0033) and the turnover frequency will move upwards. Having a higher turnover frequency will mean that when you turn the tone down, it will round off the edges but leave more mid-bite, and turning it up will simply change the higher extremes but not affect the mids. Having a lower turnover frequency will mean that when you boost you will increase the mids a lot more in addition to the highe end, and when you turn down the sound will get much darker than it does now.
When Q10 is turned on, then it is like R32 is not there and the junction of R44/R33 goes to ground directly through the cap. C29 determines how much of the highs and mids come through. If you want more upper mids, then make it .01, if less, make it .0033. C21 determines where the low end of the scoop rolls off. It is around 720hz as shown. You can drop that if you increase C21 to .012 or .015, and raise it if you drop C21 to .0082 or .0068. Letting more upper mids and upper bass through will decrease the scoopiness."
You really only need to lift C21 to removed the notch.
Q10 actually switches the notch in and out ie. one of the modes doesn't have the notch in circuit.
Because the input impedance of Q12 is high R33, R44 and C28 are benign once C21 is removed.
Adjusting C29 is beyond the scope of the notch, that component modifies the voicing of highs - you can play around with that if you wish. Keep in mind the tone control is slightly asymmetrical anyway.
The function of D14-15 is pretty unclear to me, they don't add clipping nor affect the volume or tone, so I just keep them in. D11-12 have the biggest effect on the distortion, you really hear the difference when you use a LED or silicon/germanium diode here. D8-9 have the least effect, I mean, you do hear the difference, but it doesn't really change the overall tone, the effect blends in with D11-12.
I use a Germanium in D8, D9 is standard, D11 standard and D12 a 5mm red Led. This gives me an awesome cruchy distortion, and with the neck pickup and dist to full even fuzzy disortion, it's really cool.
But the best thing is when you totally turn down the dist and volume way up, it makes my amp sound like it's on volume 10 except it's on 2.
I took some time to take appart the tonesection, and found out that it does a lot more than only cutting or boosting trebble.
R45: (4.7K) The lower you go, the more bass it cuts in total. You can't go further than bypassing it.
R46: (33K) The higher you go, the more thump you get when the gain is at 2'o clock. So if you like medium gain, make this 100K or something in that area.
R58: (15K) The higher you go, the more upper bass you get, but you lose a fair bit of volume this way. Leaving it standard prooved to sound the best.
R59: (1K) This is the bitch. The higher you go, the less blistering the trebble gets. I needed to take this part out to satisfy my needs.
You can also put a cap parallel to R46 to be able to cut more, something like 3.3nF has a pretty good result.
R32 is responsible for the midscoop in this pedal. I'm gonna try something lower than 1M to make it sound less scooped. It will probably result in a little more ouput too.
R62 can suposedly be lowered to have more volume, I need to check this.
R57 can suposedly be altered to change the compressed feeling, but it will also affect the bass, I need to check this too.
This may have been mentioned, but doubling C33 will increase the gain and bass
C41 could be changed to a higher value to allow more bass frequencies to pass freely, altough it could result in muddy or musshy sound
C34 is now 10nF, the sound is more focused, less high frequency harshness but middle stays sharp and gritty...
A second general area for modding in a manner that creates big changes with minimal investment is likely the EQ section. The DS-2 uses what seems to be a fairly common treble boost-cut circuit, whose turnover frequency is set by what looks like C37 (the 6800pf cap tied to the wiper of the tone control). Swap that cap for something of a larger value (8200pf/.0082 to maybe .012 or.015uf) and the turnover frequency will drop proportionately. Make it smaller (.0056 to maybe .0033) and the turnover frequency will move upwards. Having a higher turnover frequency will mean that when you turn the tone down, it will round off the edges but leave more mid-bite, and turning it up will simply change the higher extremes but not affect the mids. Having a lower turnover frequency will mean that when you boost you will increase the mids a lot more in addition to the highe end, and when you turn down the sound will get much darker than it does now.
When Q10 is turned on, then it is like R32 is not there and the junction of R44/R33 goes to ground directly through the cap. C29 determines how much of the highs and mids come through. If you want more upper mids, then make it .01, if less, make it .0033. C21 determines where the low end of the scoop rolls off. It is around 720hz as shown. You can drop that if you increase C21 to .012 or .015, and raise it if you drop C21 to .0082 or .0068. Letting more upper mids and upper bass through will decrease the scoopiness."
You really only need to lift C21 to removed the notch.
Q10 actually switches the notch in and out ie. one of the modes doesn't have the notch in circuit.
Because the input impedance of Q12 is high R33, R44 and C28 are benign once C21 is removed.
Adjusting C29 is beyond the scope of the notch, that component modifies the voicing of highs - you can play around with that if you wish. Keep in mind the tone control is slightly asymmetrical anyway.
Ultima modifica di Gila_Crisis il 03/06/2007, 23:13, modificato 1 volta in totale.
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Gila_Crisis
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Re: BOSS DS-1 Mod. valida anche per BOSS DS-2?
sto pensando di modificare il mio ds2 e dando un occhio alle modifiche da fare mi sono sorte un paio di domande.
1. per i led al posto dei diodi cosa cambia se uso un led rosso o uno di un altro colore?
2. guardando lo schema mi stavo chiedendo che cosa fa C28. qualkuno sa pssiegarmi come influisce sul suono?
1. per i led al posto dei diodi cosa cambia se uso un led rosso o uno di un altro colore?
2. guardando lo schema mi stavo chiedendo che cosa fa C28. qualkuno sa pssiegarmi come influisce sul suono?
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Gila_Crisis
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Re: BOSS DS-1 Mod. valida anche per BOSS DS-2?
ho fatto un po' di modifiche al pedale e ora suona molto piu' dinamico!
una domanda sta sera ho cambiato i diodi ma prima di sabato non riesco a provare il pedale, quindi sorpresa.
in pratica al posto delle coppie D15-D14 e D12-D11 ho messo un Led rosso con un diodo schottky 1n5817 e in D8-D9 un Led con un 1N4004.
che ne pensate?
una domanda sta sera ho cambiato i diodi ma prima di sabato non riesco a provare il pedale, quindi sorpresa.
in pratica al posto delle coppie D15-D14 e D12-D11 ho messo un Led rosso con un diodo schottky 1n5817 e in D8-D9 un Led con un 1N4004.
che ne pensate?
Re: BOSS DS-1 Mod. valida anche per BOSS DS-2?
i led sono DIODI luminosi
colore diverso frequenze diverse
ciao
colore diverso frequenze diverse
ciao